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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2009, 06:52:34 PM »
From what I recall reading, there was an article in a Honda Tuning magazine, and the only reason it's familiar to me and my searching was because they mentioned that a D17 WOULD NOT bolt into place of a D16. Boy were they wrong, the D17 shares all the mounting points of other D-series engines, and bolts to any D transmission.

I want to rock the native engine family for the wagon as long as possible - I don't like adapter kits and custom flywheels, since it's hard to replace individual items especially if a company no longer offers them or even goes out of business. The more OEM or off-the-shelf aftermarket stuff I can use, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2009, 07:13:29 PM »
I just found said article!  They used a D16A6 block out of a CRX Si, D17A7 crank, oil pump, oil pan, oil pick up and main cap seal.  The pistons are 04-05 Civic GX pistons, the GX was Natural Gas powered. 

And if it works for you then you can build one for me Dave

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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2009, 07:17:29 PM »
Did they say what rods were used? I'm guessing they used the D17 components.

I work on GX Civics all the time [I work for a company that does CNG installations and repairs], I may be able to chase a set down for a decent price. The D17A7 should be the CNG engine as well, if I recall correctly [that, or the HX VTEC-E version].

Any possibility you could scan or photograph said article for me? I would love you long time!
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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2009, 07:20:33 PM »
yeah they are using D17 rods, sorry I missed that.  I'll just let you borrow the mag for as long as you need to seeing as you are the one who's gonna be trying this

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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2009, 05:22:05 AM »
Sweet dude, it's much appreciated.
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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2009, 12:36:18 PM »
Very interesting dave.  Good luck with this.

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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2009, 12:40:04 PM »
Thanks Jeff. We should try a build like this in your Del Sol, haha.

I'm looking for 220-240whp, and 35mpg. Think I can do it? ;D
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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2009, 01:37:11 PM »
This sounds sick. I would make sure you go I beams if you put rods in it. The H beams barely clearance after much machining in the d16 on stock stroke. I think those ZC pistons will fit.
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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2009, 06:58:16 PM »
I'm not so sure about the pistons ... what's the compression height of the DOHC ZC pistons?
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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2009, 07:20:49 PM »
Well since you mentioned me...

I'm selling my 3 Stage VTEC swapped VX.

It's run by a P28. The VTEC-E solenoid is connected to ignition power, effectively locking it into 16 valve mode. VTEC works as it normally does.

Runs really really good and takes off fast. It's faster than I remember my friends B16 was.

My wife has the D17A2 in her 01 EX. The engine is great as IMO there's no benefit to swapping to a 3 Stage head unless it bumps the compression (there are better ways of doing that). Her car gets 38 mpg freeway and makes good power. Imagine what it would do in a lighter chassis. In other words, just swap the whole motor.

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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2009, 07:37:50 PM »
Well since you mentioned me...

I'm selling my 3 Stage VTEC swapped VX.

It's run by a P28. The VTEC-E solenoid is connected to ignition power, effectively locking it into 16 valve mode. VTEC works as it normally does.

Runs really really good and takes off fast. It's faster than I remember my friends B16 was.

My wife has the D17A2 in her 01 EX. The engine is great as IMO there's no benefit to swapping to a 3 Stage head unless it bumps the compression (there are better ways of doing that). Her car gets 38 mpg freeway and makes good power. Imagine what it would do in a lighter chassis. In other words, just swap the whole motor.

Hmm. Interesting.

I want to experiment with the 3-stage VTEC setup just to see what kind of efficiency and powerband it can create, and figure there's no replacement for displacement so the 1.7-liter bottom-end would be an interesting addition on top of that.

We'll see how things go.
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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2009, 09:58:51 AM »
This sounds awesome Dave. Keep it up.
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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2009, 11:19:13 AM »
Any progress?

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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2009, 12:25:21 PM »
Good luck on the build. It'll be sick when it's done. Keep us updated.

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Re: Theory Build: D15B 3-Stage VTEC Head w/D17A Block
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2009, 05:39:06 AM »
I haven't looked any further into actually procuring the parts to try this, as I've got other projects on my plate right now. Though I would love to have a stroker D in the wagon.
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Of course the bandwagon is nearing the end of its shelf life. It's gone from foreign, to underground, to baller, to overdone, to being supported by the entry-level aftermarket. That's usually when things are about to die off.

Just waiting for the next trend.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.